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05-13-2008, 08:45 PM
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your favorite drummer
Who is inspiring you right now?
drumming on the new melvins slays captainkingofcooking.wordpress.com |
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05-13-2008, 09:06 PM
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your favorite drummer
OK!
Clyde Stubblefield/Jabo Starks (JB's) Yuval Gabay (Soul Coughing) Dan Snaith (Caribou) John Davis (Q & Not U) Tom Jenkinson (Squarepusher... more drum programming, but he does play) Guillermo Scott Herren (Prefuse 73) Zach Barocas (Jawbox) & my ex band mate Michelle Hall. I ripped off a lot from her too. I feel like this list is incomplete. |
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05-13-2008, 09:20 PM
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LeonPierceIsAnAsshole Wrote:OK! A great start! lots of stuff for me to check out. thanks leon! captainkingofcooking.wordpress.com |
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05-13-2008, 09:30 PM
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your favorite drummer
i love the drumming in tiny hawks
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05-13-2008, 09:39 PM
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your favorite drummer
if yer into jazz, dave king of the bad plus fucking kills it:
as does jeff ballard w/brad mehldau (~6:20 is his solo): in terms of more punkish/rockish/alternativish drummers, I'm gonna have to go with: the inimitable Dave Wegenschutz/Kid Dynamite Jason Tait/Weakerthans + Do Make Say Think Adrian Girt/GY!BE + 1-Speed Bike Bill Stevenson/Descendents + All Damon Che/Don Caballero Mikey Erg/The Ergs! Dave Grohl/Foo Fighters (Colour And The Shape only) whoever plays for Hewhocorrupts Brann Daylor/Mastodon whoever it is that plays for Pelican (opinions on City of Echoes?) Chad Smith/Red Hot Chili Peppers Keith Moon/The Who I guess this is more of a "all-time best" than a "right now". Plus do we count producers? Because then I'm all about Ant/Atmosphere and Sage Francis. This is an adventure. |
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05-13-2008, 09:40 PM
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LeonPierceIsAnAsshole Wrote:OK! Squarepusher is sweet if weird, and Clyde Stubbelfield is funky as hell. This is an adventure. |
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05-13-2008, 09:53 PM
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maxfknsuechting Wrote:if yer into jazz, dave king of the bad plus fucking kills it: hahah sick, BRANN DAILOR is someone that took me a little while to actually like, but as I've said in one of my messages to you, he is someone that I've learned to really love, and not just during the time that he is behind the drums. one of my spiritual idols overall. And I'm glad someone said CHAD SMITH. I've been listening to RHCP lately and he rocks. hehe. Californication is the album I have by them. And even the fact that you used youtube to convey drummers is great, because also in the example of KEITH MOON, half the experience of the drums is watching them do it. I don't know, it just makes it even more captivating? lol. MOAR captainkingofcooking.wordpress.com |
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05-13-2008, 10:21 PM
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My view on drummers mirrors my view on drumming. I really get into musical drummers/beats, as opposed to crazy technical ones (paging Damon Che). When it comes down to it, the best musicians are the ones who know when to play it simple.
I have to add Tony Williams (Miles Davis/Eric Dolphy/solo) to the list. Bill Bruford (Yes) is really great from The Yes Album through Close To The Edge. Especially "Heart of A Sunrise". & Mike Musberger did some ridiculously powerful/melodic drumming on the Posies' Frosting On The Beater. I guess I should also say Joe Easly from the Dismemberment Plan. Check out "Girl O'Clock" & "The Other Side". Oh, & Harvey Mason on Herbie Hancock's Head Hunters. |
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05-13-2008, 10:45 PM
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and yes, I am really glad that we are talking about jazz, for both of you. I really feel like I have a subpar understanding of jazz, but I had a few friends in high school who were really into it, and took me to a show or two (medeski martin and wood, for example; really memorable show at dartmouth), so I think this is really crucial. I feel like I'd do well hearing more jazz (for example, I've heard of the bad plus, heard about them coming around several times, but never actually made it out to see them).
hehe, yes, I guess when it comes down to simple vs. complicated, I think of STEWART COPELAND, who tended to repeat 'complicated' beats that had a 'groove' to them (and didn't have too many fills, comparatively). I thought that was a great way to be a 'distinct' drummer and sound great still. I'm trying to think of which drummer I am thinking of exactly, but I guess I feel like any drummer who keeps it 'simple' but doesn't have a problem with repeating themselves too much is a drummer I want to listen to more. Like, one who plays different bass drum patterns for different songs, and has different fills for different songs. I dunno. Being conscious of the 'whole album' was something I could find myself really idolizing. <33 captainkingofcooking.wordpress.com |
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05-13-2008, 11:34 PM
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your favorite drummer
mitch mitchell
keith moon bonham (would i play drums if it wasn't for those first three, probably not) bill stevenson dale crover (and yea the new melvins is awesome russ) earl hudson (bad brains) buddy rich murph (dino jr) end of a year drummer man. lightning bolt drummer man. municipal waste drummer man...though i never listen to the band really lagwagon drummer. both. definately agree with jawbox forgot his name too though. bill ward mike portnoy (HAHAH YEA RIGHT FUCK HIM) and brand new inductee, jaybo, mudlark. |
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05-13-2008, 11:40 PM
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maxfknsuechting Wrote:if yer into jazz, dave king of the bad plus fucking kills it: i think city of echoes is the one i like them on. is that the newer one? the drumming prevents me from listening to one of their albums but makes another one way better. i forget which one is which though |
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05-13-2008, 11:45 PM
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To expound more on the idea of "simple": Take the drumming on "Super Bad" by James Brown, or "Combination Lock" by Fugazi for example. These beats are really quite simple in execution, but are very memorable @ the same time. Now both Brendan Canty & Jabo Starks can play (& how), but they also know when to hold back & let things breathe a little. I think space is very important in songwriting in general. That being said sometimes getting really huge & busy is what's needed. Caribou (Dan Snaith) usually features two separate drum tracks on most songs (he records solo) & two drummers live. There are just huge fucking beats in these songs too. Check this:
I dunno, I have all of these very precise, yet very amorphous ideas about drumming. Which is funny cause the band I'm in is the 1st band I'm actively drumming in. & I do want to state, for the record, that Anne, Les & I were all in a band w/ two full time drummers before this one. |
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05-14-2008, 01:04 AM
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LeonPierceIsAnAsshole Wrote:To expound more on the idea of "simple": Take the drumming on "Super Bad" by James Brown, or "Combination Lock" by Fugazi for example. These beats are really quite simple in execution, but are very memorable @ the same time. Now both Brendan Canty & Jabo Starks can play (& how), but they also know when to hold back & let things breathe a little. I think space is very important in songwriting in general. That being said sometimes getting really huge & busy is what's needed. Caribou (Dan Snaith) usually features two separate drum tracks on most songs (he records solo) & two drummers live. There are just huge fucking beats in these songs too. Check this: It's funny that you mention James Brown - my roommate and i have obsessively been listening to his greatest hits 40th anniversary whatever thing all week. I totally agree that the brilliance of the music is in the simplicity; it stays so funky throughout each tune without any huge musical showmanship, and it just is the perfect sound for JB's voice. Fugazi is another great example of letting the music take priority over one's own playing in general, but definitely Brendan in a big way. His sort of synchopated, avant-garde, wheeling style sits really well on all their recordings, but I especially like "Red Medicine" - "Bed For The Scraping" is a great track. Re: other things going on in this thread - 1. Tony Williams - total master of the groove. He is so with everything that is going on on all his albums, especially the Miles stuff - a lot of that was recorded when he was SEVENTEEN. Aside from that he has chops like whoa. 2. Bill Stevenson - best pop punk drummer ever? on the Lemonheads s/t, on Everything Sucks, Cool To Be You, and Mass Nerder...it's so fucking intense and powerful but so fitting for the guitar sorta screechy guitar. 3. Brann Dailor - I totally agree with Russ: the dude is just as much a part of shaping the song as the guitar players are, especially on Call of Mastodon (early demo remastered, KICKASS). His fills and beats are really precise and work really well with the style of the band. 4. Chad Smith - to appropriate the words of James Brown, Chad "KEEPS IT FUNKY". 5. Damon Che - seriously? I love this guy...of course I don't think he would fit in any other band besides Don Cab, but I love the sense of experimentation in the group as a whole. It's like the guitars and drums totally switch roles, to damon playing the melody or line or whatever while the strings just play an ostenato - sorta a trance feel, like listening to the Sunn 0))/Boris collab stuff but with more drums. I think the best illustration of the some of the concepts being thrown around - namely, taste, space, and simplicity - are illustrated by the band on Miles Davis's "Kind Of Blue", specifically Jimmy Cobb/drums. I don't really know how to explain what he does except that he plays only the things that really need to be played, which I think really helped define the album and the band more than any of the other members (except maybe Miles). In terms of jazz, I think the most exciting stuff being played today is the contemporary stuff - Russ, if you're looking for stuff to get into, look up Joshua Redman, Robert Glasper, Brad Mehldau, the Bad Plus (saw them in NoHo, absolutely insane), and Bill Charlap; of course the bebop and big band greats are totally classic (Duke, Basie, Miles, Charlie Parker, Dizzy, Max Roach/Clifford Brown, etc. ad infinitum) but I think the best place to cultivate an interest is the modern stuff, and use that to jump back to older stuff. City of Echoes is the newest Pelican release...I am partial to Australasia myself, but I think it's still pretty good. Overall I think playing drums is about experimenting with the groups you play with and finding the right role; for instance, if Brann Dailor were in the Foo Fighters, it would make no sense, but in Mastodon, it seems really logical. I've found in my playing that there is no real definition of a "good" drummer or a "good" style, just what sounds right in different situations with different players. (Reference: I play tons and tons of jazz, but I also play in a metal band, a party-dance band, and a explosions in the sky type thing.) That's part of why Coltrane sounds different on Giant Steps than he does on A Love Supreme - different band, different influences, different approach. ...my two cents, anyway. This is an adventure. |
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05-14-2008, 07:43 AM
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your favorite drummer
this thread rules way more than I guessed it was going to.
Max, send up some internetable info on your bands so I can see whats goin on over there. :37::37: (same goes for anyone else; SEND ME YOUR BAND'S MUSIC) captainkingofcooking.wordpress.com |
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05-14-2008, 08:49 AM
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your favorite drummer
Rashied Ali, off of Coltranes Interstellar space. So good.
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05-14-2008, 09:34 AM
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your favorite drummer
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/re...-of-echoes
on city of echoes, that dude definately falls off beat a few times, which is sad considering its an album they want to present as their best material... and those are the keeper tracks? and as for mastodon... i think that guy plays TOO much at time. is he good? sure. but sometimes the songs could benefit from being scaled back me-thinks. and if anyone knows about playing heavy technical metal... its me! |
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05-14-2008, 10:01 AM
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KingMike Wrote:http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/re...-of-echoes derek davis used to say that GUNNAR from the exit is the one drummer who can overplay all the time and still have it sound good. Basically, yes, brann from mastodon overplays. hahaha. Referring back to what Leon said about it sometimes being necessary to overplay to bring out the intensity of a part [paraphrased], sometimes Brann really does it for me. but also, at 2:11 in AQUA DEMENTIA, for example, every time I hear that part, I wish he was playing more of a "straight beat", IE fewer accents, fewer fills. And plus, I do think he repeats bass drum parts kind of a lot. So he is a flawed drummer, but still one of my favorites. <3333 captainkingofcooking.wordpress.com |
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05-14-2008, 10:01 AM
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To echo what Duffy said, I've heard Phil Selway from Radiohead is a pretty piss poor drummer, & Brad Wilk from RATM as well. & as far as overplaying, the new Mars Volta drummer can't not play some stupid technical beat ALL THE TIME.
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05-14-2008, 10:22 AM
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the drummer from relics just irritates me. who in the right mind would give that kid a microphone. He talks loud enough as it is.
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05-14-2008, 10:26 AM
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your favorite drummer
I have enabled him on several occasions. What can I say? It's what I do.
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